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Thursday, January 07, 2010

Dredging up the past

Here is something for anyone who read MMA/grappling-centric magazines and internet discussion boards in the late 90's.

Those of you who did might recall there was a debate between BJJ people and Catchwrestling people (most notably Matt Furey and Karl Gotch) about whether submission holds could actually break bones. The catch guys spoke long and loud on how it was impossible. The BJJ people brought up a lot of actual facts that never seemed to penetrate the Catch guys brains. Ithink the debate has long been won, but this past New Year's Eve in Japan serves as a reminder. On a big televised MMA event, Shinya Aoki broke the humerous of Mizuto Hirota with a kimura. If he wasn't so irrelevant to real combat today, it might have been interesting to hear Matt Furey try to justify that one.

I know this is kind of immature to bring up the past like this, but sometimes I can't help it. Plus, I don't want someone stumbling on that drivel and EVER trying to pull the wool over people again.

2 comments:

Tony Manifold said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIwVVz8lPM

Funny you should bring that up Cecil, because I watched the above video a couple weeks ago. In the video a catch guy talks about Catch being a bone breaking art.

Cecil Burch said...

It was mostly Furey, using what he thought Karl Gotch was saying, who was so vocal about not being able to break bones. Like most things he has done, he just ended up showing he was clueless ass.

I was heavily associated with Cecchine from about '98 - '01. I was actually supposed to be the first guy outside of Chicago he was going to certify as a catch trainer. I stopped associating with him after some dubious things came up.